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John Grinder PhD., “What is NLP?”
NLP: The New Technology of Achievement
February 18, 2010Mental Coaching-Utilizing Neuro-Linguistic Programming for Better Quality of Work Life, Job Performance, and Lasting Behavioral Change
February 23, 2010
This was filmed by Darrell Brown.
John Grinder, the co-creator of Neuro-Linguistic Programming or NLP, widely regarded as the leading edge technology in enhancing human performance. In this video John Grinder discusses the New Code of NLP.
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Ed Andriessen
Ed currently holds two certifications as a Trainer of Neuro-Linguistic Programming, one from the NLP Center of New York and one from NLP University at the University of California at Santa Cruz.He is also Co-director of the Princeton Center for NLP and is a Dilts/NLP University Distance Learning Affiliate. Ed has dedicated himself to understanding human communication in its many forms, and works as a trainer, coach, consultant and professional speaker.For twelve years, Ed has designed and led trainings and seminars in NLP, Management Development, Professional Development and Selling skills.Ed has studied with some of the best trainers in the world including Steven Leeds, Rachel Hott, Joseph Yeager, Susan Sommers, Richard Bandler, Robert Dilts, Judith DeLozier, Suzi Smith, Sid Jacobson, Michael Colgrass, Shelle Rose Charvet and Steve Andreas.
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Very much so. Also, audio tapes are very effective. Paul Mackenna is somewhat out dated now but he’s a brilliant talker and very good at what he does. Look him up…
‘ This was filmed by Darrell Brown.’
Did you, by any chance refer to Darren Brown?Or is the simularity in names coincedental?
what’s then the best way to learn NLP? The seminars seem quite expensive, can you learn from a book?
He was evidently upset with the way NLP is being “exploited” and using the term “applauded” in disguise. The way he looks to the left showing contempt (but very politely) when he addresses the 99% of the people that “do NLP and don’t get it”
Obviously Rollo May believed in truth.
Nah what you’re talking about is Nuero Hypnotic Repatterning. NLP is different for people you ask. Bandler says NLP is the structure of subjective experience. Grinder says its about modeling and everything you need to master “know nothing” states. A good question to ask is, “How would you know you mastered nlp anyway?” After that, start with the Milton model I suggest because its the most fun lol. But i urge you to take an objective standpoint for both co-founders.
he said it. “modelling excellence” he said words like strategies, accelerate learning strategies, program to explore one state of learning behavior – excellence. i think that problem for most people is recognizing that no matter what body of knowledge you learn application is key. nlp provides tools. grinder says a very intellectual definition. this guys a genius. i think sometimes they forget who the audience is. i can understand that people could be put off by this definition.
Yes he did. Watch it again. Modelling of excellence.
I had the pleasure to train with John Grinder. What a remarkable man. Very insightful.
he never said wth nlp is
For our application courses there are no prerequisites however for our Grad Cert NLP program people need a degree or an advanced diploma to gain entry. There are specific patterns modelled in NLP used by Derren Brown including calibration, milton model, sensory acuity, pattern detection, attention training and anchoring. All covered in the Grad Cert NLP program.
Are there any pre-requisites, prior training or backgound you must have before you start learning NLP or can anyone jump into it. And how much of derren brown’s uses of NLP in his show pertain to the overall applications of NLP?
One distinction is to continue to model in a “know-nothing state” until you reach criteria. For the target skill keep modelling until you can achieve a similar outcome in a similar time frame for that skill. There are multiple skills made up of multiple patterns carried by Geniuses. A skilled modeller may become more skilled than the Genius modeled. Part of the modelling process is dropping out non-essential patterns. One can generalise the patterns modelled from an expert to other contexts.
I’m impressed by Tony Robbins, and Grinder, and think modelling is powerful, but a question comes to mind. Aren’t they overselling it by claiming you can produce the same results as a genius by modelling them? “Success leaves clues” Robbins says, but what about differences in natural abilities? Surely we can’t all be as funny as Robin Williams or Jim Carey simply by modelling them, though I’m sure we could become a whole lot funnier than we were before.
I guess he’s found words to be a more effective form of communication than grunts, squeals and hand claps.
Why is that remarkable. A normal 9 year old could understand Bertrand Russell with no problem.
“…one of the most common ways of avoiding seeing truth – the particular form of “resistance” generally used by intellectuals in psychotherapy – is to make an abstract or logical principle out of the problem, and generally by enough clever intellectualizing one can arrive at a fine-looking solution which is so fascinating.” -Rollo May
Yes. First reproduce the skill and then you can build an explicit description of its components as a model for transfer to other if you choose to. We teach NLP modelling as part of our post-graduate qualification the Graduate Certificate in Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
Seems to me the kind of thing you learn by doing it rather than trying to make sense of its definition. Clearly a very intelligent man.
more moddeling people 😉
Wanting research that substantiates NLP (a new field) is like wanting research that substantiates psychology (an established field). In psychology researchers test hypotheses and build theories. NLP deals in models rather than theory. In NLP skilled trainers and modelers create models of high performers. The test is whether other people applying the patterns that have been modeled can achieve similar outcomes to the expert in a similar time frame.
Sounds like a lot of words.
I think “Turtles all the way down”
Thank you! Yes I have just tried that and thank goodness, I’m feeling a lot better.
I like that there are so many ways to do this. I feel like my brain is excercising.
The more I learn about NLP the madder I get at my past encounters with psychologists and psychiatrists, especially for not advising me that it exists in any form… and then I want to work harder at it and research it more because it really does work for me (and it’s oddly fun). It’s been helpful in many ways in just a couple of days of practice and I’ve been overcoming myself and my own thoughts and have been feeling a lot better. Thank you for the video!
I started learning NLP via every book Grinder, Bandler, Dilts, et al authored in late 1980’s, had to travel to find Dr Grinder in several states and Canada to attend workshops, finally in 1992 and 1993 did the Certification and Master Certification courses in Philly, NLP New Code, then they went back and showed how every pattern in the old code came from the leverage points in the new code. New code allowed me to create, recreate, ad lib whatever I needed to to adjust to the client in front of me to get results for the client. Definitely a focus on modelling in new code from day one. Dr Grinder did the certification wkend and Judith DeLozier (former spouse/nlp co-creator) did the Master Certification testing wkend. Attended modelling weekend modelling touch healer Finbar Nolan w/ Dr. Grinder, A New Code Excellence weekend in I believe N Carolina and a later workshop in Canada on some advanced New Code stuff. Dr. Grinder was always fascinating and instructive. I liked some of the earlier work by Richard Bandler on patterns using submodalities, but his later stuff seems to end in a puff of smoke and bewilderment with little having been learned … might be a statement of my own limitations!!!
Grinder and DeLozier’s PreRequisite for Personal Genius needs to be read numerous times to understand what to do with it. The New Code instruction, much of it, was based on explorations and discoveries in this book … again, unbelievably instructive … nothing like it. It is definitely more difficult to model a genius, than it is to have fun playing with the patterns that come out of others having modelled geniuses in their field.